Re your comment on the Dean Esmay link

I have not been to Madame Tussaud’s wax museum in decades, but they used to have some recreations of tortures practiced in the middle ages on heretics by the Catholic Church. I particularly remember a cage full of rats that was strapped on to a man’s chest and then heated by coals under the cage floor which would encourage the rats try to escape by eating their way out through the victim’s chest, definitely cruel and unusual punishment by any standards.

Considering that we are fighting against an enemy who is not playing by “civilized rules” we have no obligation to the enemy to abide by the rules either. Doing so for no other reason merely gives our enemy a tactical advantage. What is important are the consequences for our society and our military of engaging in torture.

We do not allow our police to torture criminal suspects. After all, torture is punishment and suspects are innocent until proven guilty.Law enforcement is a necessary evil which is bearable because the enforcers have neither the resources nor the inclination to enforce all the laws all the time.

In the case of the military we have to consider that we as a nation ,unlike the English,do not have a professional soldier class gene pool of youth who would be soccer hooligans if they could not get into the service. We have a few lifers, but mostly we have citizen soldiers who put in their time out of patriotism and /or economic appreciation of the educational and other benefits of being in the National Guard. Somebody has to do the dirty work, somebody maybe even has to be the torturer, but it is a role that leaves lasting psychic scars for the brave citizen soldier that last long after the war has been won.

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